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Looking for advice on audio restoration plugins for Premiere Pro CS5.5
Hello everyone,
I’m currently editing a project that was shot from 3 angles – a master shot, and over the shoulder shots for the two people conversing. Despite best efforts to keep the set as quiet as possible, I’m noticing some audio differences on each angle, which is making the edit feel very unnatural. I’ve got a few issues to contend with, such as wind noise from outside, low frequency rumble, and a high frequency whine. I’ve tried tackling these issues with Denoiser and low/high pass filters, but without much luck. Can anyone recommend some audio plugins, compatible with Premiere Pro CS5.5, that could do a better job than the built in tools.
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Adobe’s Audition would be a good choice, since you can now roundtrip from Premiere. Audition has some very good restoration tools. We also use iZotope’s RX 2 , but it’s not inexpensive, and I have a hard time determining if it’s any more adept than Audition.
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Audition will work very well. You can eliminate each noise by capturing the pattern and eliminating that particular noise from the track. You will be tempted to overdo (that’s how amazingly it will remove noise) but don’t, could make it sound tinny or hollow.
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I am an RX2A user here. It works suprisingly well in Premiere but for anything detailed, I’d process the audio outside of Premiere in a dedicated application like ProTools, Logic Pro or the like.
There are other “restoration” plugins as well like the Sonnox ones, but they cost as much as RX2 Advanced.
There is a trial of RX2 but I don’t know how the trial works in “plugin” mode. However, I will say that it’s been worth every penny. I started out with RX1 when it was released now 5+ years ago and haven’t looked back.
The Declipper alone is worth the price of admission with all sorts of media coming in from people who don’t monitor audio while shooting. It can often pay for itself in a single job (and in our case did!)
However, and back to your case, if you don’t like the round-tripping workflow, the plugins will at least provide some help, but remember that 3rd party plugins don’t work on individual tracks, only Submixes and the Main out. So just something to keep in mind when you’re wondering “where are these plugins?!”
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Audition is perfect for audio restoration. We used Audition to remove tweeting birds from a vo(must have been in the studio vents?). Spectrum analysis/noise removal. Worked a charm. Will not hire studio again…
Pro Tools??? Skip it, Avid will charge you an arm and a leg to get to the point Audition is at(integrated with Premiere). Does it even have native noise reduction at the spectrum level? Pro Tools doesn’t even import OMF’s without a $1000 plug-in.
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[Erik Mickelson] “Pro Tools??? Skip it, Avid will charge you an arm and a leg to get to the point Audition is at(integrated with Premiere). Does it even have native noise reduction at the spectrum level? Pro Tools doesn’t even import OMF’s without a $1000 plug-in.
ProTools 9+ did away with the DV Toolkit requirement and thus any ProTools install (no LE anymore) will import OMF. Just had to clear that up.
As a long time mixer – my preference is to work outside of the NLE for detailed audio work, but I do understand that’s not viable for every workflow and sometimes you just need a simple job finished within the editor.
It does look like Audition has a capable set of tools, but since the OP asked for plugins that work in Premiere, that’s what the bulk of the answer was for. 🙂
Good luck all!
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Hi Sean,
Addressing the core of the issue, how was the scene miked? It sounds like you are trying to work with on-camera sound. Typically, you would choose ONE audio source and stick with that while switching camera angles. It is going to sound strange if the audio switches with the video.
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Hi everyone, thanks for some really great answers. It’s sounding like Audition is the way to go, since it already has the toolset I need, without needing to purchase additional plugins. I really appreciate the suggestions about roundtripping. I wasn’t aware of this workflow, and I’m checking out some tutorials now, to get a better feel for it. Although I’d hoped to complete everything in Premiere, since time is an issue, roundtripping doesn’t look too time consuming.
[Jeff Pulera] “Addressing the core of the issue, how was the scene miked? It sounds like you are trying to work with on-camera sound. Typically, you would choose ONE audio source and stick with that while switching camera angles. It is going to sound strange if the audio switches with the video.”
Hi Jeff, everything was boomed with a Sanken CS-3E short shotgun. I had some student volunteers running boom, but they didn’t always boom as close or on axis as they should have. Also, the whole piece was shot in a kitchen, no carpet or curtains, so there’s some reverb to contend with.
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Good luck on de-verbing. About the only thing that will be helpful from me is to just find the most “verbed” khz range with a peaked parametric eq-sweep technique. Then pull it down just a bit. Audio recorded with verb tends to keep the verb.
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Alright, I’m making some good progress now. I’ve done some testing with the Audition roundtripping on a rough edit, and I’m really happy with the results. My workflow is to export my Premiere sequence to Audition, through Edit -> Edit in Adobe Audition. Then I do my work in Audition, and then Multitrack -> Export to Premiere Pro.
Now, here’s where I’m a bit confused. Once I’ve exported my Audition sequence back to Premiere Pro, all the individual audio tracks are merged into one continuous track. I feel like I’m going to run into a challenge if I need to do some fine tuning on the edit, and I fall out of sync with the continuous track I’ve created in Audition. Perhaps I should be saving the audio portion of my workflow for the very end, once I’ve finalized my edit. Any advice?
Thanks to everyone for your responses so far. You’ve been very patient and helpful, and are teaching me a lot.
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[Petros Kolyvas] “3rd party plugins don’t work on individual tracks”
Sure they do. You can stack as many as you want on each track in the mixer panel.
David
AllinOneFilms.com
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