-
dynamic link–is it?
Hi All,
This must be operator error, because moving clips between PPro and AE (5.5) is anything but dynamic. I have two 1920×1080 clips in PPro. One is a girl on a green screen, the other is a background clip. I shift-click the clips, choose replace with after effects comp and begin my compositing, including logos and text. The whole thing then appears back in PPro when I’m done, but it must be rendered before I can achieve full-frame playback. AND, this render suspiciously takes just as long as rendering a movie out of AE. On top of that, God forbid I keyframe a fade up or out, because then it has to render the whole thing again! This can’t be right, because currently it’s more of a hinderance than a help. What am I doing wrong? Thanks!
Dave
-
10 Replies
-
Yes you have to render it. Dont you have to do a ram preview to view it in AE? Same thing in PrP. If you have enough ram in your system (I have 24GB) PrP can use that ram preview to view the DL clip on the PrP timeline, in some cases. Dynamic means you have the ability to interactively change parameters after viewing. But rendering is always necessary, either by exporting a movie from AE and importing it into PrP (the slow way) or by rendering / viewing in PrP and altering in AE (a faster way – no movie exporting and importing required).
Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3 -
Thanks Tom. First of all, I’m probably under-RAM’ed…I only have 12GB. Yes, I do have to RAM preview in AE, I understand that. But, what I can’t understand is how just taking this linked clip back in PPro and keyframing a 15 frame fade forces the entire linked comp to re-render! At the same length of time it took to render the first pass! Is that normal behavior? Because if it is, then that’s no faster than the old export/import racket.
-
Sure it is. You save yourself the time and hassle of selecting parameters for exporting from AE….exporting from AE…importing to PrP…inserting new clip in old clips place….AND doing this every time you make a change. Actually 12 GB of ram is pretty decent it just depends on the project in AE and what programs are being run simultaneously with other programs on your computer as to whether PrP can just use the ram preview is done in AE as a matter of course.
Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3 -
But isn’t this essentially the same as you can do with motion as I mentioned below – for me the major and unique benefit of dynamic link is being able to send complex track arrangements from PP to AE
Best, ken
-
Sorry Ken. I have no idea what you are asking me in your first sentence.
Secondly, Dynamic link can be used between several applications and in several directions. I use it to add motion graphics to a portion of the PrP timeline that needs it 😀UPDATE… Oh, I see, you are referring to lower threads. Thats not how I view this forum. I have limited familiarity with Motion so I cant really answer that. I prefer After Effects for many reasons. Use what makes you happy and what gets the job done 😀
Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3 -
Sorry typing on an iPhone with thumb!. Was making observation that in Dave’s scenario dynamic link doesn’t help much. He could do same thing starting in AE then dropping comp direct into pp. you could do same with an apple motion project – direct into pp. where dynamic link really scores is its ability to export a complex pp track assemby to AE . The import thing is not such a big deal For me. In fact I prefer to render in AE as I have more Control I have had problems rendering in pp. I place the render on the track above the dynamic link .
-
I think there is some confusion about what dynamic link offers.
I doesn’t magically make AE real time.
AE and PPro can share a ram cache, so if it’s cached in ram in AE, you’ll probably be able to achieve decent frame rates in PPro.
The true “dynamic” character of the link…is that in PPro it’s essentially a soft link to what can be a much more complex comp in AE that can be updated in AE at any time without the endless import and re-editing in PPro.
Some people use the “create proxy” command in AE to help things in in this process. yes this is a render…. but the advantage is that there is no continual re importing of revisions into PPro over and over again as the AE comp is iterated.
hope that helps.
Alex
-
To avoid rendering of the whole clip after placing fade-in and/or fade-out, make a cut some seconds after the start of the clip and before the end of the clip.
Phocas Kroon
-
Phocas, thank you for answering my question. While I would certainly not prefer to have to razor my timeline all to pieces, it sure beats having to re-render the entire thing. DL is a very good idea, but in this one area alone, it could use some improvement.
Dave
-
Dave, heres your opportunity to help make that improvement. Make your feature request here 😀
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up