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Reorganizing in the PROJECT WINDOW – GAWD
I’m in the process of reorganizing 45 hours of documentary material in the Project Window involving hundreds of bins.
To anyone else who has ever had to do this, my profound sympathies. If you managed to retain your sanity, my most profound admiration for you have been subjected to one of the most awesome examples of user-oblivious programming the world of software has rarely, if ever, seen.
All I can do is shake my head in wonder at the colossal stupidity of the design and soldier on, praying that you who have preceeded me have stormed the gates of Adobe and shook some sense into the heads of those responsible and that it will be addressed in version 2. Please, God.
(For those of you who read this and wish to argue about it, I have only to say that you’ve either never had to reorganize hunreds of bins, or like the severely mentally challenged, you can approach endless and purposeless repetion with blissful blankness.)
End of rant. Back to it.
David
AllinOneFilms.com -
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Mentally challenged? Hmmmmm!!! Shooting ratio of 45:1 for a doco? I think the author of this thread may need professional help. Just not sure whether it should be medical or creative! Good luck.
http://www.redgumtv.com.auRedgum Television Productions
Broadcast & Corporate Documentaries
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If you could just open a floating bin to transfer clips…the “details view” bin structure is very good for column sorts, but a bit like building a ship in a bottle for actually creating new bins and sub-setting material.
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net -
[Tim Kolb] “If you could just open a floating bin to transfer clips..”
Or a dual pane explorer interface – not exactly a rare encounter these days. It also really requires a copy/move approach – content shouldn’t be restricted to existing in only one bin. I like to organize clips according to content and a single clip can work in maNy modes.
but again, I find myself asking “WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?”
David
AllinOneFilms.com -
[Redgum] “Mentally challenged? Hmmmmm!!! Shooting ratio of 45:1 for a doco? I think the author of this thread may need professional help. Just not sure whether it should be medical or creative! Good luck”
It appears you fall into the category “both” – both never having had to reorganize a hundred plus bins AND ‘mentally challenged’ for your statement about 45:1 being worthy of medical or creative help. Case in point: I didn’t say it was for a one hour now, did I? Case in point 2: If you think a small shooting ratio is the only way to do creative ‘docos’, as you so charmingly put them, then you truly are challenged in more ways than mentally. But hey, if that’s your horse, then happy trails.
David
AllinOneFilms.com -
You said “WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?”
David, lighten up. My comments were meant to be humorous and I am sure Tim was being his useful self.
If I read your background right, 1191 posts on this site and a string of doco’s on your web site, then you should know the limitations of your NLE (Adobe) really well by now.
You could try Avid or Vegas, their management tools may be right up your alley, but with 45 hours of footage I’m sure both programs would give you something to complain about. And I guess the question with Avid and Vegas would be “WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?”Redgum Television Productions
Broadcast & Corporate Documentaries
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[Redgum] “David, lighten up. My comments were meant to be humorous”
Redgum(?), in a similar vein, so were mine.
Actually no, I don’t know the limitations of PPro that well as I’m just starting to use it with Axio after 5 years on edit*. edit* had a few quirky areas where the question, “What were they thinking?” would have been equally applicable, but they were confined to areas that weren’t nearly as important as project management. PPro has more than a few of these jaw-droppers, and it has them in a places, like the project window, that are critically important for an efficient workflow.
My attitude right now is to hobble through and see what correctives version 2 brings. If the key problem areas aren’t addressed in an elegant way then I think it will be incumbent on every user who wants to see this software hum to mobilize by way of a strongly worded group letter to the design team. Perhaps that would cause them to sit up and take notice.
David
AllinOneFilms.com -
Mmm, just like Avid have been doing for years!
This really is a pain in the preverbial and it’s one of the many issues Adobe need to address to compete with the other editing apps that do things logically and in an efficient manner.
NO…… don’t get me started on the audio tracks again please.
Richard.
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[Redgum] “You said “WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?”
David, lighten up. My comments were meant to be humorous and I am sure Tim was being his useful self.
If I read your background right, 1191 posts on this site and a string of doco’s on your web site, then you should know the limitations of your NLE (Adobe) really well by now.
You could try Avid or Vegas, their management tools may be right up your alley, but with 45 hours of footage I’m sure both programs would give you something to complain about. And I guess the question with Avid and Vegas would be “WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?””Hi Redgum,
I think David got it…I didn’t take his frustration as being aimed at me…
The Project Window has some rather obvious limitations when you get into any project with a lot of material. I understand that. I don’t think Adobe ignores this stuff as much as keeps trying to work on what they can get done with a relatively tight crew and everyone has their “dealbreaker” issues…but they’re different for everyone, and there just aren’t enough engineers to do everything in one rev. I think the other ssue is that Premiere has had its priority feature list coming from the sort of creative/corporate/in-house/etc. set for years and now that there is really some penetration into the broadcast market, broadcasters, and those who work on television programs and films, have different needs. Thus starts the “new list” and even new directions…
If there is one thing I’ve learned over 20 years in the business, it’s that I haven’t cornered the market on an efficient workflow, and I certainly haven’t experienced every situation that other editors may face. Nobody’s workflow needs are illegitimate…
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net -
What we should do is capture in Vegas, edit in Prem Pro and post in Avid. Or maybe someone should make a takeover bid for all three, Sony, Adobe and Avid and kill all arguments?
Redgum Television Productions
Broadcast & Corporate Documentaries
Brisbane, Australia -
Now that’s an idea!
Let’s keep the interface and application integration of PPro, the capture process from Vegas and the professional workflow processes from Avid along with their tech support, regular patch procedures and the management teams that listen to the end users and deliver what they need.
Sadly though, if some one came along and did all this we’d have nothing to bitch about… but then we could just get on and do the work we need to simply and efficiently. Mmm.
I hope version 2 of Premier Pro will either make the application what it should have been all along or lose many of us who have been hanging on for so long for Adobe to get it right.
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