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Cinewave user considering Kona (chroma key???)
Hello,
Years ago I bought the Cinewave card for my final cut station at work for one reason…
REAL TIME Chroma Key. {emphasis with DVC PRO 50)
It was an excellent keyer which was SIMPLE to use and BETTER than apples built in keyer.)Over the years no one offered this, Kona, Voodoo, etc.
(AVid Symphony maybe, but isnt that the beauty of it? I had a cheap system doing realtime Chroma key with DVC PRO 50!Now time has passed, I have been on sabbatical for a year. Has anything changed? (Right before I left Cinewave was sold, etc.)
So with APPLE FINAL CUT what REAL TIME Chroma key solution with dvc Pro 50 is there? (Now im into Hd, etc. Looking at the RED camera coming out knowing that one of the people working on that camera came from AJA KONA. So I will be curious to see how they all play together.Thanks in advance. Hope this gets posted, as Im waiting for my account to put me back in long term membership status, so its not automatically posted.
Gods peace
dalen
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6 Replies
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so no one ever worked with real time choma key? I suppose the answer is no for the kona card?
Peacedalen
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[dalen7] “so no one ever worked with real time choma key? I suppose the answer is no for the kona card?
Peace”At the moment, no, there is no real-time chroma key with any video card out there. CineWave is still the only card that can do it as of today.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.comDirector, “The Rough Cut”
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow Posting “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Walter, hey its been awhile.
Met you years back when I lived in the States in Atlanta when the Final Cut User group first started.Anyway, thanks for the reply, as I have been out of the loop for a year. (been on sabbatical here in Europe.)
I am surprised with as much as apple is pushing the whole Hd and kona stuff that nobody else has this, what i would call, basic feature.
(Its all I did and will do when I pick this up again…shooting Chroma key at dvc-pro 50 and better)What are the chances of Kona picking this up? Anyone from Kona here, can you say if this is even on your target?
The reason I thought of this to begin with is because a guy named Tim from Red camera supposedly worked for Kona and they (red) are hyping how great of an engineering feat this camera will be, siting for one, Tims experience at Kona and how greatly it (the board) is engineered…yet it misses a feature such as real time chroma key…not to progressive…anyway
Now that Cinewave is sold, who knows its future with the Mac…
Thanks guys, heres hoping that Kona and others jump on this bandwagon.
Peace
dalen
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[dalen7] “I am surprised with as much as apple is pushing the whole Hd and kona stuff that nobody else has this, what i would call, basic feature.
(Its all I did and will do when I pick this up again…shooting Chroma key at dvc-pro 50 and better)”From what I’m hearing, Chroma Key will eventually be done with the on-board processors as they speed up and as FCP evolves. Who knows, maybe we’ll see it with FCP 6 and the Intel desktops? An article in MacAddict speculates that the dual-core processors will be supplanted by 8 and even 16 core processors in the next few years so there will be plenty of horsepower to do just about everything in realtime.
[dalen7] “Now that Cinewave is sold, who knows its future with the Mac…”
It’s dead. If you want to see the CineWave card, you need to look at the Avid Liquid series on Windows. It’s the hardware driving that product line now. Avid would never re-release the board on the Mac to support Final Cut Pro for obvious reasons.
[dalen7] “The reason I thought of this to begin with is because a guy named Tim from Red camera supposedly worked for Kona”
Actually his name is Ted and yes he used to work with AJA so one can assume there will be a very tight integration between Red and AJA and Apple.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.comDirector, “The Rough Cut”
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow Posting “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Walter,
Im curious, is there a future for cards (in general) if the mac is going to do all that you mentioned?
The reason I ask is that realtime chroma key at dvcpro50 is pretty intense…
Im thinking for acquisition, but how is this gonna play out when everything is taped to a harddrive from the Hd cameras, and you no longer need to capture tape. (I guess the answer lies in the fact that tape isnt necessarily dieing out anytime soon.)anyway, interesting.
dalen
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[dalen7] “Im curious, is there a future for cards (in general) if the mac is going to do all that you mentioned?”
Sure there’s a future. How are you going to monitor your video and audio when editing? How are you going to feed your record deck? Aquisition is moving tapeless, but I really don’t think the networks are in a hurry to receive programming via harddrive.
So you still need to view / output your video and audio and that’s where the cards come in. Also, the cards will probably always add more features to the system than just the computer itself.
And keep in mind that this was speculation on MacAddict’s part on the 8 and 16 core processors on the horizon. Whether or not anything like that every truly comes to pass remains to be seen. I never purchase my equipment for what it might or might not do tomorrow. I purchase it for what it does today and as long as it meets my needs for the next 12 months, I’m good to go.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.comDirector, “The Rough Cut”
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow Posting “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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