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  • Are thunderbolt 3 external drives & arrays overkill or worth the investment?

    Posted by Richie Cantrell on July 13, 2017 at 8:18 am

    I have a new mbpro 15 w tbar, 1tb ssd & thunderbolt 3. Im looking to buy an external drive or array solution to use to store ALL my files and vids. FCPX is installed on my internal SSD. I plan to set up FCPX so as to “leave files in place” so videos will remain on the external drive when Im editing in FCPX. Whatever I get MUST work well with FCPX. I will also store all completed fcpx projects to the external drive or array. I assumed thunderbolt 3 is faster and that I should look at thunderbolt 3 solutions, however I have been told thunderbolt 3 external drives and arrays are OVERKILL and that I should instead look at usb3 drives & arrays. Im confused about thunderbolt 3 vs other connections. I want a minimum of 10tb of available space, as much speed as possible (drive and transfer), redundancy would be nice and room to grow as space needs & budget change in future. I can’t afford ssd plus I need space.

    Any advice on SPECIFIC external solution for drive or raid array in the under 1000 range?

    Is Thunderbolt 3 overkill or not?

    Jeff Kirkland replied 9 years, 1 month ago 3 Members · 4 Replies
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  • Jeff Kirkland

    July 13, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    Can’t actually answer this unless you tell us what you’re actually editing – basically how much bandwidth do you need?

    USB3 is ok for short bursts of data by my experience is that it doesn’t hold up to sustained reading and writing.

    All I can say is there’s no such thing as too much storage or transfer speed. It always pays to future proof yourself.

    —-
    Jeff Kirkland | Video Producer & Cinematographer
    Hobart, Tasmania | Twitter: @jeffkirkland

  • Richie Cantrell

    July 13, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    thanks. I’ll be editing a variety of footage from older hi8, up to 4k. the drive I choose will be my primary storage device storing all my docs, files including all my pics/videos. I will edit w fcpx which is installed on my internal 1tb ssd on my mbp. To keep my mbp drive clean, I want to TRY & leave videos on the external drive when editing & just have fcpx reference the files on the external drive when editing. …I hope this works anyway.

    Due to cost, wanting speed plus space, I am considering 3 solutions below.

    For back up: I’m thinking of buying a cheap 8tb wd external drive at Best Buy that I could keep offsite.

    I have 3 ideas:

    1. $600 / 10TB G-drive w thunderbolt 3 (single drive) around $600

    or

    2. $800 / 12 TB G-Raid w thunderbolt 3 (dual drive)….My thought process on this one is that I am gaining 2 tb more than the g-drive (above) AND that if I run the g-raid as RAID 0, I am ASSUMING I will see more performance than the gdrive.

    or

    3. $500 / Mercury Elite Pro Dual 10TB 2-Bay USB 3.0 RAID Array (2 x 5TB) from OWC / Other World Computing

    QUESTIONS:

    Q: do u know if would I actually realize better performance in the g-raid (#1) if set to RAID 0, over the g-drive (#2)….OR….if there some type of bottle neck or limitation I am not aware of whereas I would not see a difference?

    Q: A sales rep has recommended a usb 3.0 solution which is: Mercury Elite Pro Raid (#3). He says that USB 3.0, would be just as fast as the the g-raid (#2) that is thunderbolt 3…..He also states he has something to do with the speed doesn’t reach usb 3.0 speeds anyway (i.e.: Thunderbolt3 is overkill)…………….DOES THIS SOUND CORRECT?

  • Tim Jones

    July 13, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    Just be aware that the Thunderbolt or USB layer speed doesn’t matter if you’re only using 1-2 spindles (drives) since each drive will be the bottleneck. You won’t see a real boost in performance unless you are using 5 or more disks or SSD units. Yes, 3 drives will get you close to 400MB/sec, but that’s still low in comparison to modern media needs.

    We always recommend that you try to get a Black Magic Disk Speed Test or an AJA System Performance test report for your particular system and drive configuration to see if you’ll be satisfied with the item.

    Tim

    Tim Jones
    CTO – TOLIS Group, Inc.
    https://www.tolisgroup.com
    BRU … because it’s the RESTORE that matters!

  • Jeff Kirkland

    July 13, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    It’s a little dated (pre Thunderbolt 3 / USB-C) but this B&H article still covers the foundations of choosing a drive for video editing.

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/video/tips-and-solutions/hard-drive-solutions-video-editing-studios

    If you’re only talking two drives then even Thunderbolt 1 will be more than fast enough to keep up but if you’re editing any quantity of 4k then a two drive array will probably only just deliver enough bandwidth and 10tb will be full in six months. I have single 4k projects that are 2tb+ each.

    I’m not saying buy a bigger drive but it sounds like you’re intending to have all your data online on this drive all the time but I think you’ll definitely need an archive strategy as 10tb will fill up fast.

    Just for the record I’m currently using a two drive RAID 0 Thunderbolt 1 enclosure with 4tb of storage. That’s been fast enough for most of the things I’ve been editing but as I said, it’s a little clunky if I’m doing say a multicam 4k project. But it’s the speed of the two drives that is the bottleneck, not the Thunderbolt connection.

    —-
    Jeff Kirkland | Video Producer & Cinematographer
    Hobart, Tasmania | Twitter: @jeffkirkland

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