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that ain’t right…
If your audio is longer than your video, it isn’t visible when the clip isn’t expanded. That ain’t right!
Top clip expanded:
And un-expanded (normal). Wheres the audio?
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That’s the way it’s always been in the trackless world 😉
– Oliver
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Have you only just spotted that one!
Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure” -
Yes. And a year of use and I still haven’t found a need to break apart clips, so I do this sort of thing all the time. But not usually isolated like that. Usually a split edit would be in conjunction with another clip. This was a special circumstance where I was using the source audio, and a tiny part of the source video to patch an edit on a mixed master. So it was a hack for sure.
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When I first started using FCPX, I got so frustrated when I could hear audio, but not see it. I started expanding clips until I found it. I don’t get frustrated as much. I’ve mapped the “Expand A/V clips for all splits”. This will show me what I need to see without expanding every single clip.
They ought to have a marking for a clip that’s hiding audio. Maybe in the next version.
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Don’t live your life in a secondary storyline.Mark Morache
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Clips that are split should stay expanded by default
Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure” -
Mmmm… I do these all the time for L cuts, and I think I prefer having hidden as default. Almost always (for me) it’s a SOT, so it’s obvious it goes with the lipflap that’s just around the corner. So it’s not confusing where the audio is coming from, and keep the timeline condensed, which is much more of a constant concern. Even with clips as “whatever the tiny bar icon is called” setting, the timeline still sometimes needs more vertical scrolling than I’d like.
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I see no need for them to stay expanded, but there’s no reason they shouldn’t have the same visual representation of a split audio clip as when they’re not expanded with another adjacent clip. When you have an adjacent clip it shows the unused audio as dark. Why not show the unused video as dark, or something. Or. Better, show it the way it is expanded, except with all the useless blank space. The whole expansion thing is just idiotic anyway. Just let the audio be the lower, and the video be the upper and let us drag them both separately with a modifier. The whole expansion thing is visually unintuitive and visually un-informative.
As others have said- the timeline needs lots of work.
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FCPX is doing exactly what you’re telling it to do.
The lower clip has dissolves at either end of of an unexpanded clip. That tells FCPX to dissolve both the video and audio.
You don’t see audio outside the edges of the clip because you just told FCPX to dissolve the audio into the audio of nothing. It’s supposed to be nothing outside the clip because that’s what you commanded FCPX to do. Don’t want the dissolve to affect the audio? Then expand the clip first by double-clicking on the audio part. Then, as in the upper screen shot, a dissolve on the video has no effect on the audio.
I find that the way FCPX handles video and audio transitions is far better than the hassle that FCP7 had you go through. For FCP7 a dissolve only affect video (CMD-T). If you wanted the audio to be dissolved as well that was a separate action; highlight the audio transition point and OPT-CMD-T. Then, if you changed your mind about the duration of the audio transition and changed it, then the video transition time above it would also change. Drove me crazy sometimes.
The way FCPX handles is far superior.
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In the example I gave, the audio is unaffected by the video dissolve. The video dissolve was added to the video portion only of the clip while it was expanded so it doesn’t affect the audio. But, as is my original point, there is no visual representation of this when un expanded. You proved my point. You thought from the visual I displayed that the audio was fading out as well, but it is not. There is an audible audio file that is visually unrepresented when unexpanded.
The problem you are describing in 7 is annoying. It’s a bug that was introduced in version 5 or 6 that was never fixed. Holding option used to allow you to change duration of video or audio dissolve independently of the other before that. No matter if they were originally added independently or at the same time. It’s the only time I am forced to lock a track in the app. So I can adjust one without it affecting the other.
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I see what you’re saying Bret but I still contend that nothing is wrong here.
No, the expanded audio is not seen when the clip is not expanded (although its still there), but to be seen the sound would have to pop out to expand beyond the adjacent clips and co-exist with sound that the adjacent clips might have over the same moment in time. That’s expanded. You want to see the extended audio then you expand the clip. How can you see extended audio when you’re telling the clip to tuck in and be not show as expanded? You’ll have to draw me a picture of what you WANT to see that doesn’t involve expanding the clip and still see the extended audio because when the video and audio of the same clip are at different lengths either you have to tuck in for the video length or expand to see the audio length. I don’t see how you want to see the extended audio while not expanding the clip so the audio can be free to show a different length.
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