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Oops! That ain’t broadcast legal.
So add a page turn on something 100% white, like a powerpoint page, and check out your luma levels as FCP reveals the backside with a little light sheen added. Goes from 100 to 110 IRE. Doh! Where’s that link to suggestions to Apple?
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Adding a broadcast safe filter doesn’t help either. You can go in and give the page turn a backside color. But make sure it isn’t white! Yep. That white will be 110 ire. Oh, and don’t skim that eyedropper around too much on the color palette. Every pixel of movement is counted as an undo. Yeah. Even if you don’t click. So skim around and choose a color and then change your mind and you’re looking at somewhere around 30-40 undos to get back. Because once you choose a background color I can’t find a way to get rid of it.
I know, I know. Page turns are lame.
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You are right about the 110 IRE. They need to fix that.
But if you don´t use the arrow (which flips open a board) but click on the square color picker instead you get a traditional colourwheel where you have to click to get the color which you want. Fairly straightforward if you ask me 😉 -
[Bret Williams] “Adding a broadcast safe filter doesn’t help either. “
Is it 110 of luma or chroma? The broadcast safe filter has to be added to a compound clip. Doesn’t work otherwise. I have been able to use a generator as an adjustment layer with the broadcast safe filter in the adjustment layer.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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I think it’s Apple’s way of saying “Please, don’t use page turns.” 🙂 Unless you are really going for that ADO look from the 80s…
No, no. Sounds like a definite bug. The feedback form is right on the “Final Curt Pre” menu bar next to the apple icon in X. I use it frequently.
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The broadcast safe filter works perfectly well for me on footage. That’d be pretty sad if you had to ad it to a compound. Where’d you hear that?
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This happens in other NLEs too, add an effect and the effect pushes above legal. It is sometimes effect dependent. The trick was always to nest and adjust levels on the nest to force a particular rendering order.
X seems to be no different, and at least there’s “adjustment layers” to make this even easier.
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[Bret Williams] “That’d be pretty sad if you had to ad it to a compound. Where’d you hear that?”
Not a matter of hearing, but in actual practice. Everything I edit is color-corrected by me if I’m doing the finishing. In X that means the color board plus filters. You cannot use the color board and have the broadcast safe filter correctly applied, because of the floating point processing. The processing pipeline is completely different than in FCP 7, where you could add a broadcast safe filter as the last filter in a stack. In X, it only works by using an adjustment layer or a compound clip. If you have no other modifiers, then I guess it works at the clip level.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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This used to happen too in FCP 7 with some effects. In FCPX’s hierarchy, Colour Board is after whatever filter you apply, unlike 3 way colour correction which was a filter itself.
I remember in the early days watching a program where I used Glowing transitions only to discover that whatever transmition limiter had turned the nice white glow into deep black… not pretty.
Also, white in the Mac’s colour palette is 255 which translates into above legal white level. If you use the “crayons” palette you have to select Mercury white for a legal white, Snow is too bright.
Patrice
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[Patrice Freymond] “Colour Board is after whatever filter you apply, unlike 3 way colour correction which was a filter itself. “
I’m not so sure. It looks that way in the UI, but it’s really a clip modifier that’s being computed in floating point math. Basically it may be neither before nor after and doesn’t really matter where it is in the chain. For example, if you choose the automatic balance, you are changing the clip’s color profile metadata, which happens before any filters are applied. I haven’t seen any documentation that really specifies where the correction is inserted.
In any case, we are talking about transitions, so FCP7’s broadcast safe filter wouldn’t correct illegal levels in a transition between clips, without nesting or creating a self-contained mixdown, either.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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mmmhh, now you got me thinking…
and though I love the concept of nesting in 7 the implementation is not fail safe. I lost hours tracking down oddities due to nesting. Unless it was the mxf4mac component at the end of the process that did not like the concept….
So I am now approaching Compound clips in X with circumspection 😉Patrice
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