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Crickets chirping in this forum now
Turns our Adobe WAS the “or not”
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Andy,
Lightworks for Mac is due out later this year.
There are other options.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “Lightworks for Mac is due out later this year. There are other options.”
Do you realize that all the good stuff in Lightworks is still only available with subscription [link]?
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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Yes $60. bucks a year but no activation the app is yours in the sense that you can still use it as I understand
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Walter,
I’m ambivalent about software as subscription – still working out what I think about it.
But I assume you’re addressing those who are negative about subscription.
On that point, it’s worth noting that Lightworks is an open source project – if someone knows more about how “open” it is, I’d be interested.
But in terms of the subscription issue, I think it’s a price sensitive issue. If CC were available at 10.00 a month, I think the negative feedback would be a lot less. While price doesn’t address issues that David Lawrence is raising, I think a lot of the negative feedback we’re witnessing is because CC represents a price increase, long term, for most people.
Most education institutions, for example, would probably accept a 60.00 / year fee for software.
It’s also important to note that a lapses subscription with lightworks won’t prevent you from opening your project down the line (though it may disable crucial functions for some use cases).
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “I’m ambivalent about software as subscription – still working out what I think about it. But I assume you’re addressing those who are negative about subscription.”
I’m all for supporting Lightworks.
I’m just pointing out that Lightworks is (today, at least) working on the same model that Adobe is to those with a philosophical aversion to renting their tools.
[Franz Bieberkopf] “On that point, it’s worth noting that Lightworks is an open source project – if someone knows more about how “open” it is, I’d be interested.”
Opening the source is planned, but has not happened yet.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Walter Soyka] “I’m just pointing out that Lightworks is (today, at least) working on the same model that Adobe is to those with a philosophical aversion to renting their tools.”
Walter,
I think there’s a significant difference in that Ligthtworks offers a free base installation. That’s not the same model.
Also, over 10 years (assuming current prices), Lightworks would cost 600.00, CC would cost at 6000.00. There’s an order of magnitude of difference.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “I think there’s a significant difference in that Ligthtworks offers a free base installation. That’s not the same model.”
Well, except what are you going to do with that base installation? Open an old project? Hope it’s not using ProRes, AVCHD, H.264, XDCam, XF codec, AVC-Intra, REDCODE, DPX, or HDV…because that footage requires a subscription license for decoding.
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[Richard Cardonna] “Yes $60. bucks a year but no activation the app is yours in the sense that you can still use it as I understand”
Yeah, it’ll open as long as you’re using only DNxHD (Which is a one-time $70 fee), or DVCAM / DVCPRO 25/DVCPRO 50/DVCPRO / MPEG 422 SD/HD. Everything else requires that subscription.
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Gary,
While I wouldn’t ignore the subscription issue, you could, for example, pay for DNxHD and develop a workflow where everything was transcoded to that.
One of the core issues here is control as has been emphasized in posts below.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “I think there’s a significant difference in that Ligthtworks offers a free base installation. That’s not the same model.”
Totally valid point — but the free edition is really limited.
It comes without AAF import/export, full QuickTime export, ProRes decode, AVC-Intra decode/encode, XDCAM decode/encode, R3D decode, H.264/AVCHD decode/encode, MPEG-4 export, titling, or hardware I/O.
A base installation that can’t even read your media won’t go very far in the real world. Wouldn’t a user going off subscription with Lightworks have basically the same problem of inaccessible project files as going off subscription on CC?
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events
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