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Editing program
Hi,
I know this question has been thrown around a lot and after having read many posts on different programs..you know…the good, the bad and the ugly…and on and on…I still thought I would ask here.I am an expert Final cut pro editor and have been editing for over 5 years (professionally) with intermediate skills in AE for VFX and Motion Graphics…and some coloring expertise under my belt (ofcourse with Color).
Ok..enough of the blabbering…
I just edited a feature film in FCP7 which was shot on RED. Sadly with Apple’s unpromising future for pro in the league of editing software, I thought it would be a good time to learn another pro-editing program.
I would still learn Final Cut X, since it will be releasing updated features later down the road (except its huge learning curve with the new interface without the pro-substance)
But…I am seriously considering Adobe Premiere (integration with AE and compatibility of FCP keyboard layouts) with a big plus of 64 bit and native Red footage editing.
Although its becoming more popular among the independent filmmakers and big movies, however it just doesn’t seem like a feature editing tool (I mean hollywood type movies).
But I am positive Adobe will facelift its stature by adding more features (with more consumers jumping onto Premiere boat).On the other hand, Avid Media composer is the main work horse for editing features films that set the hollywood standard. It seems more stable, becoming more affordable and versatile.
However, besides its other peripheral programs, it just doesn’t seem fully interchangeable without third party plugins and programs (automatic duck..etc..) so there goes…I thought of Autodesk Smoke that does all, but its expensive
So, finally, I want be a feature editor with some inclusion of visual effects and motion graphics.
Simply put, a chef who cooks main meals along with sides,salads and dessert…per say.That said, what would be the best editing program moving forward?
Thank you for your time and input.
Israel
Filmmaker/Editor
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Your only real choice at the present time is Avid. No one in L.A. uses Premiere at this time. That could change, but then again it might not. It certainly couldn’t hurt to learn Premiere, but this is in all likelihood going to be an all Avid town as soon as the major players head for the hills, away from FCP. As far as “X” ever becoming a useful tool here; you might have to wait for years, if ever, for that to happen.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Your only real choice at the present time is Avid. “
And why not FC.7?
It has got any kind of virus that doesn’t allows him to work anymore?
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[Rafael Amador] “[David Roth Weiss] “Your only real choice at the present time is Avid. ”
And why not FC.7?
It has got any kind of virus that doesn’t allows him to work anymore?
rafael
“No, why not keep using FCP7, no new learning curve, a few quirks, but so do others. There is no perfect editor.
Cheers
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As a straight editor, Premiere Pro is a natural extension of Final Cut Pro 7. Operation is very similar if you switch the keyboard shortcuts to Final Cut Pro. However, digital format operation is much better with PPro than FCP 7.
Avid is definitely the defacto standard of operation and the only question that remains to be seen is if they can make the economic model of being a software predominate company work. They used to make most of their profit through selling hardware.
In our testing we have found one significant difference between PPro and Avid.
Tape operation is horrible in PPro. VTR control is fine, but the actual capture / master process is very very poor.
Tape operation is rock solid in Avid.
So if you will never need tape again, it’s a toss up, whichever you want to use. If you will need solid tape operation, right now Avid is the way to go.
Today, November 3rd, Avid is hosting a public webcast to announce something new. Most likely Media Composer 6. You can still register and listen in. 1pm Eastern Time US
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
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[Rafael Amador] “And why not FC.7?
It has got any kind of virus that doesn’t allows him to work anymore?”There are many of us who just don’t want to beat a dead horse any longer. When you start working with Premiere Pro, Avid or even FCP X you realize just how slow and inefficient FCP 7 has become.
For those who want to continue to work in FCP 7 I say keep rocking. For those who want to switch to something else, I say keep rocking.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
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It really depends how you work and how your company is set up.
Since June several people we work with have gone back to Avid, the rest is holding out with FCP 7 but it is clear where the trend is going.
Among our clients, FCP X has a whopping adoption rate of zero per cent. So, if we are looking for a freelancer or hire a new guy we’d naturally be looking for someone with Avid experience. This is also the advise I’d give someone who wants to decide what NLE to learn if you want to work freelance. If you are a one man shop it may be different but it it always and avantage to be able to work with Avid. -
Walter,
I still have the comfort of time before making my own decisions, but I haven’t really read anywhere of anyone using PPro for longer, larger projects (specifically meaning hundreds of hours of footage and hundreds of sequences over months of editing).
Have you had experience with this or know of anyone else’s?
It’s also worth noting that my own experiences testing PPro revealed some pretty flaky behavior with hardware (Matrox MXO2 LE) though I have heard this is less of an issue on Windows machines.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] I still have the comfort of time before making my own decisions, but I haven’t really read anywhere of anyone using PPro for longer, larger projects (specifically meaning hundreds of hours of footage and hundreds of sequences over months of editing.
Not hundreds of hours by any stretch, but I edited a feature film on a Sony VAIO laptop at the beginning of the year (first cut runtime: 113 minutes) of 4k Red One footage. Worked like a charm, though there was a few minute load time once the project had to load all the footage. It really helped me dive right through the assembly edit. Most of my issues stemmed from trying to jury rig FW800 on a PC, but nothing that was a show-stopper.
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Then there’s Gareth Edwards who edited, colour corrected and made most of the VFX of his debut feature “Monsters” with Premiere Pro and After Effects.
https://tv.adobe.com/watch/customer-stories-video-film-and-audio/monsters/
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[walter biscardi] “There are many of us who just don’t want to beat a dead horse any longer. When you start working with Premiere Pro, Avid or even FCP X you realize just how slow and inefficient FCP 7 has become.”
You are right Walter is time to start to have a look to other things.
Here I have not any kind of pressure and probably that makes me feel real lazy.
Processing speed is what I guess will make me move on.
With PP and the features films I think is all about that somebody makes the first one.
Where I can’t see my self is working with FCPX. It has great things and can be very useful for certain kind of jobs/processes, but not for my daily edit.
[walter biscardi] “Avid is definitely the defacto standard of operation and the only question that remains to be seen is if they can make the economic model of being a software predominate company work. They used to make most of their profit through selling hardware.”
[walter biscardi] “As a straight editor, Premiere Pro is a natural extension of Final Cut Pro 7. Operation is very similar if you switch the keyboard shortcuts to Final Cut Pro. However, digital format operation is much better with PPro than FCP 7.”
I also tried PP by 1996 but at that time was not an option, neither when I started by my self in 2003.
AVIDs learning curve is what is pushing me to PP. Although I would prefer mastering AVID, I many other things to learn better than another NLE.
rafael
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