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  • how to export pure black from AE?

    Posted by Joseph Lewis on January 20, 2015 at 11:42 am

    How do I export pure black from AE using h264 codec and be able watch the same superblack via Youtube or VLC player?

    This is what I do… I create a new comp, add a solid with black and export using Media Encoder. The format I use is h264 (Match Source, High bitrate).

    When I watch my clip via Windows Media Player, it shows pure black because I believe it shows the full range (0-255).

    When I open the same file using VLC player, MX Player on my android phone (via table using the same player too) or upload the video to youtube, the black is a bit of greyish. I believe this is the correct behaviour because when I use h264 codec, it expects pure black to be on 16 and whites at 235?

    This is what I tried so far…
    – changing project colorspace to sRGB 1966 and other options like HDTV rec 709 (16-235)
    – playing around with color profile converter
    – levels
    – changing depths from 8 to 16 bits

    I can achieve pure black on my PC via VLC player by changing dynamic range from 16-235 to 0-255 in the NVidia settings. The problem that if I distribute my video file to end users, they won’t see pure blacks if they watch it via VLC… the same problem would remain if I upload it to youtube.

    Can someone tell me what steps I should follow in order to generate 1 second clip with superblack background using AE and watch the same pure black via VLC, youtube (h264 codec). It would really make my day and I could finally sleep well!

    Thank you in advance

    Joseph Lewis replied 11 years, 7 months ago 3 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Walter Soyka

    January 20, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    Sadly, you cannot fix this problem on the source side. There is no way for you to compensate for a user with a misconfigured player or graphics driver or display.

    Walter Soyka
    Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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  • Chris Wright

    January 20, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    walter is right about misconfigured players outputing 0-255 or 16-235, but you can try burning in the color management with AE’s effect->utility-color profile converter. try rec.0-255 and 16-235 and see if it breaks in other computers. As default, some players do setup a certain way so all you can can hope for is get the greatest group of default setups to be compatible. Besides, most players don’t support color management anyway.

  • Joseph Lewis

    January 20, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    I believe I’m preparing the source wrongly in After Effects…

    Here is what I did today. I added a solid black in Davinci Resolve, in the output setting set video/data levels to 4-1019, picked quick time wrapper and rendered a few seconds of it as I result I had black.mov file. Then I dragged/dropped that file to Media Encoder, picked h264 match source/bitrate, converted and volia – VLC played everything with true blacks. Uploaded to Youtube, everything super black. All players show blacks as I expect.

    Like I mentioned in my initial post I cannot achieve the same effect with After Effects. I tested many things in AE and nothing worked for me but I’m ready to go through that again, maybe I missed something.

    I uploaded rendered files:
    https://www.filedropper.com/showdownload.php/black_5

    ae.black.mp4 (rendered via AE, just created new comp, added solid black, dragged and dropped to media encoder; no color management, levels or embed color profile as it didn’t work for me…)

    black.aep (my simple AE file)

    davinci.resolve.black.mov (rendered via Davinci Resolve, set video/data levels to 4-1019)

    davinci.resolve.black.rencoded.with.media.encoder.mp4 (dragged/dropped davinci.resolve.black.mov to media encoder. This file shows superblacks across all players I tried)

    PS how do I exactly set video/data levels in AE like I did in Davinci resolve…?

    Thanks

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