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720p/24pN Documentary
Three weeks away from pulling the trigger on a documentary. I have been planning to use a pair of HVX200 and capture in 720p/24pN… the potential of shooting completely tapeless would be awesome – but, working without a net, and the sheer amount of volume of material that needs to be stored makes a DP doubt…
In advance, please forgive my ignorance in some of the following display….
All in, all done I anticipate sixty plus hours of content… how might I avoid tying up massive terabytes of storage while in the assembly stage if I capture everything without tape? Can I transfer information directly to a hard drive and then write the material to a disk?
Please write soon to help me help you help me….
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Well, Jeffry, your doubts are what everyone doubts when they first wrap their head around P2. Tapeless is sweet, but it takes a little getting used to. It’s best if you have as many cards as you can afford and a dedicated person to manage them. 60 hours of 24pN is approx. 1.2 TB, then you need another 1.2TBs for the quicktime wrapped files and another 1 terrabyte for edits/renders/animations/overhead/whatevers. When it’s all said and done, 3.5 TBs should about do you well. Get a P2 store or two, I don’t see how you can work without one. P2 is not for every situation, but it is a sweet system once you learn the ropes.
Jeremy
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The rub with P2 in this situation is that I am shooting interviews which will last an hour or so, and I hate to potentially break up the interview to change cards… maybe a firestore, or into my workbook and into FCP? Then, at the end of the day, dump the days content to a bigger drive to clear the decks for day two…
The pressure – we’re shooting in a maximum security prison with small crew, no room for re-shoot, and not alot of experience with this combination of stuff.
I need an overview of an effective work flow – from camera to storage, w/ some sort of back-up…
I appreciate the insights…
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Read these blog entries from this blog:
P2 WORKFLOW Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3. You will have to search for them…they are about 2/3 down the page.
And watch this tutorial on how to properly import P2 into FCP:
DVCPRO HD at 23.98 (24PN) takes up VERY little space. 21GB/hour. So 60 hours is 1.6 TB. Not massive, but I guess you will need 2TB of storage.
Welcome to the world of HD.
Shane
Littlefrog Post
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Understood the volume to be 63gb per hour…
Any recommendations for hard copy back-up?
Thank you
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Well, first off, if you were shooting on tape you’d have to swap tapes every 30 min. If you get yourself 3-4 P2 cards and a Pw Store or laptop and HD on location, you can swap the cards all day long…shooting continuously…and not miss a beat. Unlike tape were you have to wait while you swap it out.
I back up my P2 CONTENTS and LASTCLIP files to HD, then import them to my media drives. I backup my P2 cards to hard drives and now I am archiving to DVD. Fun…80 DVDs…
Shane
Littlefrog Post
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Jeffery,
Just got finished shooting a short form doc in 720/24pN in Central Asia. Same worries as you. Only 8 days to shoot and no retakes. Scary! Here’s what we did, just understand that we only have about 6 hours of footage to your 60+ hours.
Shot on 2 HVX 200’s with 2 8 gig and 2 4 gig cards and 1 p2Store.
Transfered p2’s to Store and from Store to MBP with a 250gig G-Drive.
Imported to FCP with another 250gig G-Drive
Burned 35 DVD backups
Shipped media home separately for safety reasons.Some things to remember, while the p2 card will transfer to the Store rather quickly the trip from the store to the HDD is slow as molasses in January. One 8gig card file from store to HDD took 1 hour. If this is unusual I hope that someone will tell me what I did wrong.
We were able to get 31 minutes on 12 gigs so with 2 8 gigs you can get 41 minutes. Not too shabby.
For the next project we will take a laptop with a PCMCIA interface for faster transfers.
Good Luck
Ken Summerall
Wellwater Productions, Inc.
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[Ken Summerall] “One 8gig card file from store to HDD took 1 hour.”
Yikes! 8 Gigs and hour? Not right. Drag the lastclip.txt over first, and then drag the contents folder, don’t do them at the same time. This should give you faster transfer times.
Jeremy
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what i would have given for cow access a week ago!
Ken Summerall
Wellwater Productions, Inc.
“A non-profit production company specializing in media with a mission.”
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