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24p 2:3 pulldown: Is it OK for TV broadcast _and_ DVD?
Question: Is shooting in 24p 2:3 standard pulldown mode appropriate if distribution will primarily be via NTSC video in all of the following formats (in order of most common to least common): VHS, DVD-Video, internet streaming, and (occasionally) broadcast TV?
The material will not be distributed via film.
I think I understand most of what was discussed concerning 24p 2:3 standard pulldown vs. 24p 2:3:3:2 advanced pulldown in the following thread in the COW’s DVX100a forum:
https://tinyurl.com/c47ru… and I’ve also read Adam Wilt’s info on the subject on his website, but I’m still unclear about how best to handle the above situation (which is what my clients “want”).
Advice & comments appreciated,
– Peter
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I’d still say shoot in 24pA. You can make higher quality DVDs and web video in 24p native and easily create a DV tape output with automatic pulldown insertion.
Noah
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[Noah Kadner] “I’d still say shoot in 24pA. You can make higher quality DVDs and web video in 24p native and easily create a DV tape output with automatic pulldown insertion.”
Thanks for this, Noah. I should have said the reason I’m asking this question is because (unfortunately) Sony’s DSR-450WS camcorder is still in the “running” as my possible next cam purchase, but it only does 24p standard (2:3 pulldown) not 24p advanced (2:3:3:2 pulldown). My clients are resisting the SPX-800 P2 approach, and the SDX-900 is beyond my budget. So …
24p standard is OK for distribution on (of the choices I mentioned previously) VHS & TV broadcast …
But 24p advanced is more appropriate for distribution on DVD and web video …
So, if I’m “forced” to shoot 24p standard, DVDs & web video quality will suffer somewhat? (Is the percent of quality decrease approx. the percent difference between 24 fps and 30 fps or some other rule of thumb?)
Have I got this right? I’d appreciate further clarification. Thanks!
– Peter
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It’s not the image quality so much as the efficiency. You can create a 24 frame web video that’s 20% smaller than a 29.97 web video with the standard 3:2 pulldown included. Similar setup with the 24p DVD. Also a 24p DVD will play in native 24p on a progressive scan DVD player hooked up to a compatible plasma monitor or DLP projector. If you wanted to edit 24p standard at 23.98 it would require more effort in post to convert from 24p standard.
As an aside I think you can easily find a b-stock or used SDX at a pretty close price point to the Sony and you’ll be making a huge bump up in quality going from 4:1:1 25Mbit DVCAM to 4:2:2 50Mbit DVCPRO50.
Noah
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Thank you for this info, Noah; much appreciated.
I’ll follow-up with my local SF dealers (VMI & Snader) concerning a B-stock SDX-900.
My primary clients are resisting a Panasonic solution; it’s as much an emotional decision as it is a rational one. Although one of them has recently begun using & liking a DVX-100, they’ve been “Sony people” for years & years. Hence the DSR-450WS rearing it’s head as an unequal “solution”.
If the $ numbers can work out for me, I may overcome my own one reservation concerning the SDX-900’s unfortunate lack of a Firewire port. I’d get the SDI option anyway, but the lack of a FW port is a real inconvenience (as far as I can tell, it’s not an option?)
Thanks again. More to come …
All the best,
– Peter
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