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Cineform / Vegas / Store used clips
I bought NeoScene, converted my AVCHD clips and made a project in Vegas Pro9. So far, so good. Now I want to save my project including the trimmed clips I used: File > Save as (copy media with project)> Create trimmed copies of source media. When doing so, Vegas starts writing mp3-files an jpg files used in my project and then stops with the message:”Not licensed for CineForm encoding. Please visit https://www.CineForm.com to purchase your upgrade” -> An error occurred while creating the media file. No compatible video codec was found.
Why can I not write the clips, while I have a NeoScene license?Dirk
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Interesting: Never seen the save trimmed source media option before.
Can’t think of a reason why you would do that anyway. That seems to stop the ability to fine tune any futher adjustments. Does’t really save all that much space on the HD either. Just save the project, use it as a sequence etc…Cineform:
I’ve seen that in three cases:
You are using the 32 bit cineform on the 64 bit Vegas. Version 5.0 & above should not have that issue.
The license is expired
You are rendering to a resolution higher than is licensed 1920×1080…
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Check to make sure that you can render Cineform from Vegas Pro. When I first upgraded I could not (same error “no codec found”). I had to get the NeoScene 5.2 update before it would work.
~jr
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Some time ago, I rendered part of that project into a BD iso file to play with my mediaplayer. Worked fine. So, I guess it has nothing to do with the codec? (I Just don’t remember if the Vegas version at that time was the latest 9-version (maybe it was 9c or 9d))
The reason why I want to save the project with the trimmed files: Once my project is finished I want to render it into a BD iso file. I want to save the project in case I decide to render it to another format later (e.g. DVD) without having to keep all the NeoScene clips: The NeoScene clips take a lot of space, while only a fraction of that material is actually used in the project after trim and cut. So I just want to keep the original AVCHD material and the NeoScene trimmed clips that have actually been used.
Dirk
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Also, why convert your AVCHD files? I just bought a Panasonic HDC-T700, 1920 X 1080 60P, ext. .mts and with a custom project set, I can edit this native format, render it out as a custom .WMV file at 1920 x 1080 60p. With an i7, they play back great.
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Unfortunately, I don’t have an I7, only a quadcore. NeoScene was advised to me as a very good intermediate format. I tested AVCHD with a few clips on the timeline and it worked well, but as I didn’t want too many problems with bigger projects, NeoScene was the way I went.
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[Dirk Wellekens] “Some time ago, I rendered part of that project into a BD iso file to play with my mediaplayer. Worked fine. So, I guess it has nothing to do with the codec? (I Just don’t remember if the Vegas version at that time was the latest 9-version (maybe it was 9c or 9d))”
Did you render to Cineform format? I doubt highly that your media player can play Cineform files. I’m guessing you rendered to a Blu-ray compliant format. You need to try and render to Cineform to test whether it works or not. Since there are no Cineform templates in Vegas Pro 9.0 you will need to make one in order to test this. If you haven’t made a Cineform template then you definitely didn’t test rendering to Cineform and it may be a codec installation problem.
~jr
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I checked and can render Cineform from vegas
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“Did you render to Cineform format? I doubt highly that your media player can play Cineform files. I’m guessing you rendered to a Blu-ray compliant format. You need to try and render to Cineform to test whether it works or not. Since there are no Cineform templates in Vegas Pro 9.0 you will need to make one in order to test this. If you haven’t made a Cineform template then you definitely didn’t test rendering to Cineform and it may be a codec installation problem”
I think I see what you mean: I did not render TO Cineform, what I meant is that I rendered Cineform clips imported in Vegas to something else (BD-iso through make disk command). So, if I save my project including trimmed clips I need to render TO Cineform and this might be a problem. Is that correct?
How do I make a Cineform template myself? Rendering partial projects to Cineform might also be useful regarding the problem I have with “vegas turning low on memory” as I mentioned in another post. -
[Dirk Wellekens] “I think I see what you mean: I did not render TO Cineform, what I meant is that I rendered Cineform clips imported in Vegas to something else (BD-iso through make disk command). So, if I save my project including trimmed clips I need to render TO Cineform and this might be a problem. Is that correct?”
Well, the problem is that Vegas will render to Cineform as it trims the clips. If it’s giving you an error about no codec found, then my guess is that you cannot render to Cineform and need to fix this problem before saving and trimming clips will work.
[Dirk Wellekens] “How do I make a Cineform template myself?”
Making the template is easy:
- Select File | Render As…
- Under Save as type select Video for Windows
- Under Template select Default Template
- Press the Custom… button to bring up the Custom Settings window
- On the Video tab under Video format select Cineform HD Codec v6.7.0
- Give the template a name like “HD 1080-60i Cineform” and press the Diskette icon to save the template
You now have a Cineform template for rendering. Try and render with this template and I’ll bet you get the same error. Then figure out why. Make sure you have NeoScene 5.2!
[Dirk Wellekens] “Rendering partial projects to Cineform might also be useful regarding the problem I have with “vegas turning low on memory” as I mentioned in another post.”
Absolutely! I recommend NeoScene for anyone working in HD because it allows near-lossless rendering for all sorts of scenarios including partial rendering when you’re having low memory problems.
~jr
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“Well, the problem is that Vegas will render to Cineform as it trims the clips. If it’s giving you an error about no codec found, then my guess is that you cannot render to Cineform and need to fix this problem before saving and trimming clips will work. Make sure you have NeoScene 5.2!”
An upgrade to NeoScene 5.2 indeed allows to save the project together with the trimmed clips. Many thanks for the tip.
As far as the render issue is concerned, rendering to Cineform keeps giving the low memory error, even with only 1 core used. When I render to AVCHD, I am able to render a small project with 2 cores. So I suppose this will have to be the way to follow? Just don’t know why this is not possible with Cineform.Dirk
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