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  • Multicam layout tracks by timecode gives 140 tracks

    Posted by John Lenihan on October 11, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    So, I have an NXCAM and was pleased to download vegas 10 to use the synchronized timecode feature.

    I recorded a wedding with two cameras each which had synchronized timecode.

    I never synchronized before. I input both sets of clips to the project media. I selected them and followed the manual which says choose layout tracks using media timecode.

    The manual says I will end of with two sets of traks synchronized by timecode.

    What I get is every single clip has a new new trak. The clips seem like they may be syncrhronized, but they form a stairstep and I have 145 traks instead of two.

    What setting do I have wrong.

    John Lenihan

    LeniCam Video Productions
    https://www.lenicam.com

    Márcio Nascimento replied 11 years, 2 months ago 3 Members · 11 Replies
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  • John Lenihan

    October 13, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    I figured it out.

    I am going to put the answer here to possibly save someone else trouble.

    I had to give names to the clips from each camera. In the project media detail view, there are several columns.
    media name, title, comments, tape name are candidates.

    Well you have to name the clips from camera one as camera one or anything. Then you have to copy that to other clips from same camera.

    Then name the clips from camera two and copy to all camera two clips.

    Then save the vegas file. These are not saved in the actual media, only the vegaas file. Then you can sync by timecode and it will put it into the two pairs of tracks they claimed.

    John Lenihan

    LeniCam Video Productions

    John Lenihan

    LeniCam Video Productions
    https://www.lenicam.com

  • Mike Kujbida

    October 13, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    John, thanks very much for posting this for us.
    I’ve seen this question come up every so often and have never seen a solution.
    Now I’ll be able to answer it.

  • Márcio Nascimento

    March 2, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    Oh… how gorgeous is this information…

    I have here 376 clips recorded in Canon 6D with timecode setting synced my sound recorder, and when I added the clips using the “Lay Out Tracks…” command, Vegas has created 752 tracks!!! (video+audio)
    So, Your information about the Tape Name is much precious for me. Thank You.

    Now, another question: Have some way for rename Tape Name in all clips at same time? Or am I obligated to paste the name in each clip?

    Márcio Nascimento
    – Editor, cinegrafista e fotógrafo –

  • Mike Kujbida

    March 2, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    Try the script by Rosebud in the Add clips at ruler timecode thread on the Sony Vegas forum. Be sure to read his followup post too.

  • John Lenihan

    March 2, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    Also,

    If you purchase the add on Vegasaur, it includes a feature which allows you to change the tapename on a bunch of selected clips.

    John

    John Lenihan

    LeniCam Video Productions
    https://www.lenicamvideoproductions.com

  • Márcio Nascimento

    March 3, 2015 at 5:44 pm

    Yeah, I saw – I downloaded the tryout to verify.
    I already have the Vasst Ultimate S. Unfortunately it doesn’t have this sync features.

    I´m finding some troubles in sync.
    I tried the script mentioned by Mike Kujbida, Lay Out Tracks Using Media Timecode from Vegas and Vegasaur.
    None of the three suggested options could synchronize cameras or even video clips with audio clips
    I have in timeline an audio media recorded by ZOOM H6, 48.000Khz, 16 bits, WAV.
    does vegas shouldn’t sync both media files?

    Márcio Nascimento
    – Editor, cinegrafista e fotógrafo –

  • John Lenihan

    March 3, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    From what I remember, zoom doesn’t have timecode. Or rather, it always starts at 0.

    Early on I ran into this issue, messed around with the zoom, and never found a work around to make the timecode be anything other than starting at zero. I end up using waveform sync by visual inspection.

    John

    John Lenihan

    LeniCam Video Productions
    https://www.lenicamvideoproductions.com

  • Márcio Nascimento

    March 4, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    Yep John, ZOOM do not has timecode.
    I selected free run in Canon 6D and I pressed reset at the same time of REC in ZOOM.
    But I think the problem isn´t in canon or vegas… maybe in zoom, I don´t know.
    The clips are not synced themselves in the same channel compared with zoom’s audio clip
    They are in the right timecode position. (Timecode In) but some clips are late and other early than zoom audio.
    See the picture of my timeline…. The green (V) is synced. The red arrows show the direction that I should move the event to correct the sync.

    Márcio Nascimento
    – Editor, cinegrafista e fotógrafo –

  • Márcio Nascimento

    March 11, 2015 at 6:19 pm

    [john lenihan] “I end up using waveform sync by visual inspection.”
    the method I am using to synchronize is putting the events close to where they should be but not exactly in place in relation to zoom audio. I’m also having to do a visual fine-tuning to synchronize.

    The 6D events are correct in timeline considering:
    1. the “Timecode In” of event
    and
    2. the ruler configuration that is “SMPTE Film Sync IVTC (23,976fps Video)”,

    But instead audio of events doesn’t match with ZOOM’s audio time.

    I reseted the timecode in Canon at the same time I pressed REC in ZOOM, so the 6D timecode and zoom counter time should be the same, no?
    Even doing this it doesn’t synced the events. Is it normal or what am I missing out??

    The problem appears to be caused by differents sample rates between the recorder and the camera, but if that was the cause, all audio would be delayed or all audio would be early. But instead, randomly some audios are late and some early.

    Márcio Nascimento
    – Editor, cinegrafista e fotógrafo –

  • John Lenihan

    March 11, 2015 at 6:52 pm

    You are doing the right thing by experimenting.

    Yes, first things first, you have to be sampling audio at the same rate. The default for audio for video is 48000 hz and 16 bit samples.

    You should see if they are both set to that on both machines.

    john

    John Lenihan

    LeniCam Video Productions
    https://www.lenicamvideoproductions.com

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