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  • David Mathis

    September 8, 2020 at 12:32 am

    I am very thankful for the update to the COW site. I have noticed a couple of forums that are no longer here which could be due to low traffic volume in those forums. The two that were of interest are Red Cameras and Red Giant plugins. Other than that, there are really nice forums on here that I love to visit. This is a genuine question and Tim may remove this post if not allowed. Again, thank you for this new and improved website.

  • Ron Lindeboom

    September 8, 2020 at 1:07 am

    Hi David,

    We have always removed under-performing forums. We are always willing to add them back at user demand or if we find a leader who is willing to head the group.

    It was a nightmare of hellish proportions to finally get the conversion done and it took the top-rated database conversion team in the world to get it done — and they almost quit.

    But now we have the architecture we need to add things quickly. Watch for many new things coming shortly.

    Best always,

    Ron Lindeboom

  • Tim Wilson

    September 8, 2020 at 2:29 am

    I’m also happy to speak to those two forums in particular, because they are companies that we are very friendly with, and have worked with for years. RED obviously had very strong forum support with, and when the founder of, Jarred Land, became the company president in 2013 when founder Jim Jannard retired, it made all the sense in the world for to become the online center of gravity. We actually haven’t had an active RED camera forum for years.

    With again, no disrespect intended, and none taken, as you might have noticed some RED ads in the COW every now and again, and a bunch of genuinely fantastic customer and project profiles, 100% exclusive to Creative COW, and brought to us straight from RED’s PR team.

    That’s actually pretty typical. People who are hardcore Apple or Adobe or Avid or Blackmagic folks can often find the help they need at the excellent forums on those sites, even as those companies also very strongly support our forums here.

    Where we continue to have a unique play is that COWfolks tend to use multiple tools in complex workflows. So, for example, there’s still a lot of RED traffic in the COW forums — just not for the camera itself. It’s people who need to push RED files through grading, vfx, and distributed editing workflows.

    Red Giant is part of a trend we’ve seen with many, many plugin developers, where the traffic has tended to congregate in the After Effects forum itself. This is very, very different than the early days, when the plug was THE story.

    Back in 1994 when I first started using After Effects, before it was even an Adobe product (still at Aldus when I bought it at the beginning of that years), I knew a TON of people who wanted to run FINAL Effects, because that thing was INSANE. (It is now owned by my old friend, and former boss and mentor Boris, and still glorious.) But that was the plugin package FOR After Effects. And I remember people saying, “But I only want Final Effects. Why do I need After Effects?”

    That’s because AE itself didn’t really do much. It was mostly a processing core (and a superlative one at that, bordering on the miraculous. That team winning a Technical Achievement Award from the Academy a couple of years ago was way overdue). But for visual sizzle, the good stuff was in plugins.

    In fact, you could buy a version of AE that was JUST the core, with NO plugins, with the idea being that you’d buy your blurs and dve tools and filters from people like Final Effects, Boris FX, Trapcode (later bought by Red Giant), and many others. Adobe bought AE at the end of 1994, and released the first version under the Adobe flag in October 95 with a lot of those plugins hardwired in.

    Not that there’s not a ton of fantastic AE plugins still available (starting with Boris and Red Giant, among others), but that was the beginning of a seismic shift. By the time I made my last visit to the NY After Effects User Group when I was working for Boris in late 2002, people were aggressively challenging me during my presentation, “Why would anybody need plugins when After Effects does it all?” Uhm, because you can always do more? Rofl

    Anyway, a lot of ancient history to observe that people now tend to think of themselves in terms of After Effects first, plugins second. And yes, Red Giant makes a lot of great stuff for editing applications in addition to After Effects, but it’s even more true in the world of FCP that we’ve seen those folks gravitate toward FCP’s native effects architecture first.

    I’ll end by echoing what Ron said, that we’re taking a page from Apple’s playbook to consolidate some features in order to prioritize moving to the modern platform that we need in order to build what we envision for our future. What you’re looking at is what we’ve been up to for the past 5 months. We think that that next 5 are going to be a pretty wild ride.

    Thanks to you and everyone else being so understanding about the DNS registrations for a site our size needing a good day to sort themselves out, but when the dust settles on Tuesday, we’ll be getting to work on the next round of fun.



    Tim Wilson
    Creative COW

  • Andrew Mehta

    September 16, 2020 at 7:48 pm

    Three bits of feedback.

    1) What’s the best way to provide feedback? Creative Community Conversations forum? Letters to the COW Team forum? Ron’s LinkedIn?

    2) Will you have a way for old links to redirect to new links? For example – this legacy link: …appears to be post number 867607 within forum 4. Is there a way to translate a post number like that to its new SEO url? In this case the new URL is:

    3) Will there be some way to either limit a search to just one forum, or to filter the search results, to just show results from a particular forum?

    Many thanks! Keep up the good work, =D.

    UltraStudio for Thunderbolt™

  • Tim Wilson

    September 16, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    Hi Andrew,

    In general, the Letters to the COW Team forum is the best way to draw things to our attention, although I think it may need a better name. Any ideas?

    2) Will you have a way for old links to redirect to new links?

    Yikes! This is supposed to work! And it mostly does, even though this one clearly does not. Can you tell me how you found that old link?

    Also, can you check that the original link is correct? Any correct links should be redirecting to the new site, and again, they mostly are.

    This is very curious, but also disturbing. I’ll appreciate any insight you can give me!

    3) Will there be some way to either limit a search to just one forum, or to filter the search results, to just show results from a particular forum?

    Definitely. We have lots and lots of search enhancements under development. I’m afraid that I don’t have a firm date for you, although I can tell you that it’s definitely part of the next phase of construction, which will also include the articles, the addition of tags to make searching and sorting easier, etc.

    Great ideas, man! Keep ’em coming!


    Tim Wilson
    Creative COW

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